So we tried the goat milker...and it was a fail :( I don't know if the boys had just drained the mommas of milk or if their teats aren't big enough for the milker to work. We're going to seperate the boys from the mommas for the night and try milking them first thing in the morning...hopefully that fixes the problem. If not, I'll be on the look out for a hand milker! The boys NEED to be weaned...they are 3 and 4 weeks old now.